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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 13, 2009 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: "The Wheel": Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

I am listening to the studio version of The Wheel, and once again I am struck by the fact that the pedal steel parts on that version could not actually have been played by an actual human being. I don't mean they are electronically generated, I mean they are not of this Earth. WTF, Jerry??????????

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-11-14 01:33:47

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Nov 14, 2009 3:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Oh man! You are SO right about that SC! Unworldly sounds did Jerry summon from the pedal steel, check the studio version of "Candyman" for instance...ghost guitar work.. surreal...
Recommended listening from Jerry's guest work on other peoples records with the same ghostly pedal steel:

"Laughing" David Crosby "If I Could Only Remember My Name" album. Very much like "The Wheel"

The New Riders first album including"Dirty Business", "All I Ever Wanted" and "Last Lonely Eagle" Expressive and amazing! Beutiful!

"Have You Seen The Stars Tonight?" from "Blows Against The Empire" by Jefferson Starship. Deep space pedal steel from Jerry. Jerry played a lot of great electric lead for his old friends on this one too.. (the ultimate "guest appearance performance" on record for Jerry). He played on many songs on this record.

Jerry also played on Graham Nash's "Songs For Beginners" that year on songs like "I Used To Be A King".

I remember playing "I Used To Be A King" on my headphones (along with Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone") after Nixon gave his resignation speech in 1974! When I watched it on TV these were the two songs that came to me..

"Your Mind Has Left Your Body" from Kantner/Slicks "Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun" album. Jam turned into "Mind Left Body" by Grateful Dead.... nuff said..
I probably left a few off.

"Tarkio Road" by Brewer & Shipley (who I saw in concert back then)... great pedal steel work. Like his guitar playing, you could always tell it was Jerry.

Of course CSN&Y's "Teach You Children" is Jerry's most famous pedal steel solo. Jerry's pedal steel MADE that song the anthem it became..
I'm sorry he gave it up. Great stuff.

Another reason 1970 is my favorite year for The Grateful Dead, besides seeing them for the first time then...

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Wow, this is such an education. Thank you!

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Poster: B. Stockwell Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

I have no way of thanking you folks "out there" for the quality, depth, knowledge, humor, and love for the music I've seen here in the Forum. It's the faith and devotion of absolute fanatics that keeps ANY music alive. Forget the record companies and the music critics - Bach, Beethoven, Mahler, Caruso, Furtwangler, Sinatra, Gulda, The Dead; it's always the nonchalant lunatics who keep passing the music on. THANK you!

I'm an outsider, even though I've been living in San Francico since 1980. I never went to a Dead concert but you know what? Just knowing I was in their town, that Haight Street is a ten-minute bus ride from my house always made me think, "Yeah - this town is the best."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Yep--it is really cool to go there...I also like going to GGPark, and revisiting Lindley Meadows (75 show I saw there)...and the Zoo where they took those early era shots of the boys in B&W around a very old, black train engine (played on that many times as a kid).

Haven't lived in the BArea for 30 yrs now, but still love seeing, visiting SF!

The City.

[and as you note, the info density around here these days is amazing! thanks largely to LiA, Monte, ARb, Tiger and the others that really contribute something over an above the kind of baseline drivel that's all I am good for!]

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Nov 14, 2009 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Which was your first show, SkyDawg?-

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Nov 14, 2009 10:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

This one:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-04-03.sbd.cotsman.4283.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Nov 17, 2009 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Was it by chance or did you seek out the experience?

What was it like being in the audience around this time period of college shows? Were there lots of uninitiated taking the Acid Test?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Super list sky! If anyone can find anymore examples of Garcia pedal steel work, please post!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Jerry's Guest Appearances

This is the site to go to:

http://www.deaddisc.com/GDFD_JGPerformer.htm

It lists all his contributions to other artists' albums, with details about the tracks he's on.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

Thanks for that, LiA!

There, in one place, all my "evidence" as to how great an overall musician was Jerry...can provide that to folks instead of babbling on. Just scanning it proves the point.

IE, the biz we have kicked around here a few times over the yrs about Jerry being so talented, and doing so much in terms of "non DEAD" contributions to so many, esp, OF COURSE, during my fav era of 67 thru 75 (ahem, note I extend it a few yrs there!).

And, agree with one and all about the singularity of the studio Wheel, and of course, that entire album...

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Poster: Rocky Seven Date: Nov 15, 2009 1:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

I remember those day's at the Rheem w/ Merl. On their way home through canyon they'd stop for fuel and receive a free 49er glass or a Hot Wheel of their fancy.

-Chicken Fucker





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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Nov 15, 2009 2:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=274289

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Poster: Rocky Seven Date: Nov 15, 2009 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

you must like all the attention dumb fucker.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

Very cool - and I can't tell you how happy I am to see Jerry credited on a Negativeland release, which also features Jello Biafra, The Residents, Rev. Ivan Stang (!), Fred Frith, Mark Mothersbaugh, etc. (even if it just from a tape, at least Jerry and Mickey were cool enough to give permission).

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry's Guest Appearances

got it... thanks

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Nice list, SkyDawg! Don't forget 'The Farm' by Jefferson Airplane... that Jer is everywhere! :D

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 13, 2009 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

The album version has no equal, but some of the 1980 versions are very nice. Brent adds a nice touch to this one

http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-11-30.sbd-aud.sacks.2416.sbeok.shnf



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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 13, 2009 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Hi D & M! I will check that out...

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

The Wheel on there makes me very happy.

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Poster: Rocky Seven Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Check out "The Wheel" on TDIH TOO... like a 15min wheel. Dire likes because it reminds him of the moby van.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

I think '81 may have been a prime year for Wheels, for instance these two -

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-08-28.sbd-patched.painoman.9572.sbeok.shnf (predrums with a unique jam)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-12-05.sbd.clugston.5488.sbeok.shnf (very nice coming out of space)

And for 1980 fans, here's a Wheel out of Estimated:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-12-14.nak700.munder.13193.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 14, 2009 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Port Chester 1970-11-08, was this DS preformed on pedal guitar?

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Poster: barongsong Date: Nov 16, 2009 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Cool, if 12-05 is anything like 8-28, I still have many great nights to look forward to. Thanks for the heads up.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 14, 2009 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

08/28 is pretty good, but outstanding call on 12/05/81. Last time I had that show on I swore it was the best Wheel I had ever heard. 6 or 7 very strong performances that night.

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Poster: kschneid Date: Nov 13, 2009 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

During space: "What song is this?" ;-)

Lots of other nice stuff in that show, thanks for linking...

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 14, 2009 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

In case anyone isn't aware of it, Jerry played everything but drums (Kreutzman) on that album...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 14, 2009 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Yeah, as I was listening to it, I was struck by how good his piano playing was (and how weird his bass playing was, lots of 'substitutions').

He also plays some more of that dynamite pedal steel on "Eep Hour"... I wish there was more.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Nov 13, 2009 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

I recall thinking something similar when the album came out. We would play it at those times when we, too, were headed for outer space. I still think it's quite remarkable and keep it close at hand.

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Poster: clintorus Date: Nov 13, 2009 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

some of these boneheads don't get (lol), but a show is a show from beginning to end, just sometimes the aliens from Winslow were in the crowd.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 14, 2009 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Are there any examples of Dark Star done live on pedal steel?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 14, 2009 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Jerry never played Dark Star on pedal steel, as far as I know.

This essay has (among other things) a list of every time Jerry played the pedal-steel in a Dead show (not counting the NRPS sets) -
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=255232

It was really just a short period - a couple months in '69 - with the exception of Looks Like Rain in '72. Just a few country songs over & over too; the only surprise is the Hard to Handle on 7/11/69.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

God Bless, Thanx

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2009 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Nope...not sure that'd have worked, but interesting idea H....

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 14, 2009 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'The Wheel': Proof of Alien Life On Earth?

Ahhhhhh ,,,